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abidhaq
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 28 May 2004 : 13:44:52
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| I totally agree with Dazzy, I think they may pay her off, due to the decrease in sales and drop her. I truly HOPE NOT, I love her to bits. |
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Tef Johs
Fan
Norway
496 Posts |
Posted - 28 May 2004 : 14:13:24
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If you really think this, then be my guest.
I would want no part in this pessimistic and unrealistic discussion anyway. It has absolutely no grounds in any facts or history, as I can see.
What is the point?
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Helios Rietberg
Fan
Malaysia
710 Posts |
Posted - 28 May 2004 : 16:05:37
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The point is for them to have something to ponder over, to talk about. And i don't see why they can't think this way if they want to. It's their opinion anyway. Sarcasm is just the roots of a grudge or an argument. Why be so?
Reality is an illusion that occurs due to the lack of alcohol.
Comme le monde est grand. |
Edited by - Helios Rietberg on 28 May 2004 17:56:17 |
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Tef Johs
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Norway
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Dazzy
Fan
United Kingdom
148 Posts |
Posted - 28 May 2004 : 18:33:16
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Hey guys. I didn't want to start any argument or bad feeling. It was just my opinion. And as I've said - I do hope I'm wrong. I also love her to bits and will always buy her CD's or DVD's to support her.
My loss, here we go again...
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Meriadoc
Fan
Belgium
489 Posts |
Posted - 29 May 2004 : 08:59:40
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Originally posted by Tef Johs
I'm not sarcastic at all. It's just that defeatism has never appealed to me.
It's not defaetism, it's realism. I've seen what artists Time-Warner fired a few weeks ago. Some of the most popular Belgian and Dutch artists are without a record company. Don't tell me this will never happen with Lene. I hope it will never happen. But it's not realistic to say it will never happen. Sorry if this sounds very pesimistic.
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Helios Rietberg
Fan
Malaysia
710 Posts |
Posted - 29 May 2004 : 16:48:40
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Okay, guys. I'm sorry if i got anyone irritated or even angry, but i was trying to convey my opinion too. I think it's right to think of all sides of the situation... perhaps they are being pessimistic, but they have to think about it and ponder over whether there might be a chance, even though slim, that Lene might be dropped. Anything is possible though, at this point in time.
Reality is an illusion that occurs due to the lack of alcohol.
Comme le monde est grand. |
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Dazzy
Fan
United Kingdom
148 Posts |
Posted - 29 May 2004 : 19:20:12
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The discussion did get a bit heated for a moment - but it's only because we all care and we all want Lene to succeed.
Theres nothing wrong with a good healthy debate.
My loss, here we go again...
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Marko
Staff Lene.it / Moderator
Italy
949 Posts |
Posted - 31 May 2004 : 00:19:48
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The topic was about Lene in the U.S.
Anyway, I don't think they will ever drop Lene. They've waited 4 years for her and, as Tef said, they alreday knew from the beginning (Lene herself said it in an interview) that album AD would sell less then PMG.
Then Lene wants to do things slower this time.
I think the success of YWT surprised them all, but they decided anyway not to do immediatly promotion in UK. AD single come out too late and still we don't know about Lene in UK. I think Virgin is main responsible for that, so how could they accuse Lene she has not selled enough?
Don't worry for Lene. Anyway, she does not create music to sell, you know.
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Geno
Fan
Norway
102 Posts |
Posted - 31 May 2004 : 17:09:06
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Tef Johs: Stop calling people "ridiculous" for no reason. You have a great Lene-site but you're not God and other people's point of views are equally valid as your own. Even if you (and all of us) dont like it, you have to accept that AD has been a commercial failure. PMG sold 300 000 in France, AD has sold... 3000? IT's due to a lot of things, change of style, lack of promotion etc. In itself this is not important, coz I dont really think Lene cares, but it means that less people get to hear her.Which is sad, coz she really deserves an audience.
I don't think virgin/EMI will drop Lene, but I think they will focus more exclusively on Norway and Italy, the only two countries where AD has done reasonably well. Although they screwed up the release of the AD-single in Italy, I hope they will continue to promote her there. (Although not bothering to make a video for "Sorry" isn't a good sign.)
the US is out of the question for many reasons, partly because Lene herself doesn't seem to want it all. You need a different attitude if you intend to conquer America. Plus the music industry will see a lot of downsizing and shedding of artists, and I just don't think a shy Norwegian is where Virgin decide to put their money. (But I could be wrong obviously). As for the UK, it is an extremely difficult market for foreign artists, and seeing that all the momentum from SDH has been lost ages ago, they'd have to break that market once more. I dont think they'll bother.
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Tef Johs
Fan
Norway
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Posted - 31 May 2004 : 17:43:02
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Originally posted by Geno
Tef Johs: Stop calling people "ridiculous" for no reason. You have a great Lene-site but you're not God and other people's point of views are equally valid as your own.
First, you're pretty late with this attack.
Second, it is not people I'm calling ridiculous, it's the view that EMI is supposed to fire Lene after 9 months of AD sales, while just before having waited 4 years for her to do the sequel.
Third, it's not "my" Lene site. It had nothing to do with it.
Get your facts straight.
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Helios Rietberg
Fan
Malaysia
710 Posts |
Posted - 31 May 2004 : 18:49:56
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The view isn't ridiculous, it's possible. It's possible (though slim) that EMI waited 4 years for Lene to make another killer album that would shock the music industry, seeing that she did so well for PMG. It is still possible that she might be dropped.
And Geno is right; though he might be blunt, it is true, that you should accept other's opinions instead of acting like a fightercock and living in denial.
Reality is an illusion that occurs due to the lack of alcohol.
Comme le monde est grand. |
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Tef Johs
Fan
Norway
496 Posts |
Posted - 31 May 2004 : 19:34:26
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You are making the same mistake he did. You're yelling about your right to have an opinion, while at the same time telling others to change theirs.
Who are you to tell me what is or what is not ridiculous? Am I supposed to ask for your permission, perhaps?
I have never said I wasn't accepting other views, I'm just sharing mine. Also note I was quite finished with this discussion, until Geno decided he was going to play "forum police".
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Meriadoc
Fan
Belgium
489 Posts |
Posted - 31 May 2004 : 20:13:59
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Originally posted by Tef Johs
You are making the same mistake he did. You're yelling about your right to have an opinion, while at the same time telling others to change theirs.
Who are you to tell me what is or what is not ridiculous? Am I supposed to ask for your permission, perhaps?
I have never said I wasn't accepting other views, I'm just sharing mine. Also note I was quite finished with this discussion, until Geno decided he was going to play "forum police".
Tef, I give you the sad example of Novastar (http://www.novastar.be/news.asp): Novastar just relaesed their second CD wich became gold only after a few weeks. The first CD was relaesed years ago (I can't remember how long) so Time Warner had plenty of time to fire them. No, they had to do it when just after the second CD got out. When I feare for Lene, I have reasons. I know Time Warner isn't Virgin. Knowing other musiccompanies have done the same thing, it makes you think, doesn't it?
Like the saying goes: "Hope for the best, expect the worse".
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Just the way we are
I guess you've seen it now
A mirror of ourselves sure makes us weird
Falling down
From a mountain of fright |
Edited by - Meriadoc on 01 Jun 2004 22:37:21 |
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Meriadoc
Fan
Belgium
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Posted - 31 May 2004 : 20:33:20
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Originally posted by Geno
Tef Johs: Stop calling people "ridiculous" for no reason. You have a great Lene-site but you're not God and other people's point of views are equally valid as your own. Even if you (and all of us) dont like it, you have to accept that AD has been a commercial failure. PMG sold 300 000 in France, AD has sold... 3000? IT's due to a lot of things, change of style, lack of promotion etc. In itself this is not important, coz I dont really think Lene cares, but it means that less people get to hear her.Which is sad, coz she really deserves an audience.
Where did you get those numbers from?
Btw, there is another reason why a lot of people didn't buy AD: the copyprotection. I'v been reading many forums and even some blogs where people admit never to buy AD because of the copyprotection. I gave my niece AD as a present but she can't play it on her CD-player! I give you an example: http://www.jacobsen.no/anders/blog/archives/2003/10/02/why_i_am_not_buying_lene_marlins_new_cd.html
I don't think the diffence in style between PMG and AD is a factor in sales. The promotion however did a lot. I discovered Lene thanks to MTV. Not a lot of people will discover her new album that way. Most people got to know AD thanks to fans who wrote about it on their site.
AD a commercial failure? I don't know. I don't know the exact numbers. Does anyone?
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I don't think virgin/EMI will drop Lene, but I think they will focus more exclusively on Norway and Italy, the only two countries where AD has done reasonably well. Although they screwed up the release of the AD-single in Italy, I hope they will continue to promote her there. (Although not bothering to make a video for "Sorry" isn't a good sign.)
Singles don't make the succes of an artist. Don't look at the succes of one song, it's the whole thing that's important. Anyone can make a few songs and sell them seperatly with good succes. Making a full CD where every song is equaly good that shows the real artist.
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the US is out of the question for many reasons, partly because Lene herself doesn't seem to want it all. You need a different attitude if you intend to conquer America. Plus the music industry will see a lot of downsizing and shedding of artists, and I just don't think a shy Norwegian is where Virgin decide to put their money. (But I could be wrong obviously). As for the UK, it is an extremely difficult market for foreign artists, and seeing that all the momentum from SDH has been lost ages ago, they'd have to break that market once more. I dont think they'll bother.
The musicindustrie is a very strange thing. Nirvana proved you don't need expensive videoclips and promotion to be a great succes. Unfortunately, not a lot of people from the musicindustrie has understood this.
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Just the way we are
I guess you've seen it now
A mirror of ourselves sure makes us weird
Falling down
From a mountain of fright |
Edited by - Meriadoc on 01 Jun 2004 22:34:04 |
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lene in u.s.?
